Posting on Vimeo dangerous?

[Peter Majtan]

Hey guys - check this one out:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17332

[Stefan Christou]

thanks peter

[Joseph Hutson]

I saw that too.

Whether Vimeo(as well as YouTube)themselves use your video, people at ANY time can download your video for their own use, or gain. Not very hard to do.

[MattN]

Hopefully most people already realize that. Never put anything online that you think would ever give you any monetary gain.

[Peter Majtan]

Joseph - but those people would do that illegally. Vimeo or YouTube will actually have a right to do so...

[Ayoji]

What about RedRelay.net?

[Joseph Hutson]

Joseph - but those people would do that illegally. Vimeo or YouTube will actually have a right to do so...

That's true, but...

P.S. That "but" doesn't mean I do it.:thumbsup:

[Joseph Hutson]

What about RedRelay.net?

Maybe if all of your work is shot on Red cameras. Pretty soon it will be for me and probably for you too.

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Just answer me something guys, can you watch these vids in real time?

http://unidadezero.com/low.html
http://unidadezero.com/medium.html
http://unidadezero.com/high.html

Any loading problems with a particular quality preset?
Feedback is appreciated.

:thumbsup:

[Anthony Torres]

Though some part of those warnings are purely c.y.a. for the host site, you also have to google "Flickr lawsuits" to see how easily it is to repurpose a "free" site.

The spirit of the language liberates them from lawsuits should someone misuse material from the site. So if Producer X downloads your Hi-Def Vimeo footage, you have to sue Producer X, not Vimeo. You gave Vimeo rights to use your work. Vimeo covered themselves. Saves them a lot of hassle, really, from defending pointless lawsuits. Face it- the internet is lawless. Video and Photos are the easiest items to steal, as these are public sites.

But if you join specific forums, they have the same language to republish posts without further compensation. They view the community of the forum as compensation enough. If you agree to it, and post - for example- recipes, don't be all shocked if your treasured recipes are printed in a "Forum Cookbook." Your failure to read a contract doesn't excuse the binding nature of the contract.

Whether or not Vimeo becomes a stock footage co. is questionable. Heck, they could flip it around and do "the world's wackiest web videos" and not pay anyone a cent. They have the legal right to do so.

So use at your own risk. Read the agreement. Still, that language has been on every video hosting site since... well, Atom Films was supposed to conquer the world in 1999... or iFilm...

A lot of folks are too alarmist about this language, and some are too careless. You should pay more attention to your cast, crew, and location agreements, because that messes up more folks than Vimeo.

Look how the Red Co. is proceeding: they only show what they care to lose before going to market. Apply that to your own work. Vimeo looks nice. Hosting a H.264 file on your own site is just as nice. - A.T. Orlandont, FL

[Ayoji]

Low and Medium is good but I have hard time with High.:)

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Though some part of those warnings are purely c.y.a. for the host site, you also have to google "Flickr lawsuits" to see how easily it is to repurpose a "free" site.

The spirit of the language liberates them from lawsuits should someone misuse material from the site. So if Producer X downloads your Hi-Def Vimeo footage, you have to sue Producer X, not Vimeo. You gave Vimeo rights to use your work. Vimeo covered themselves. Saves them a lot of hassle, really, from defending pointless lawsuits. Face it- the internet is lawless. Video and Photos are the easiest items to steal, as these are public sites.

But if you join specific forums, they have the same language to republish posts without further compensation. They view the community of the forum as compensation enough. If you agree to it, and post - for example- recipes, don't be all shocked if your treasured recipes are printed in a "Forum Cookbook." Your failure to read a contract doesn't excuse the binding nature of the contract.

Whether or not Vimeo becomes a stock footage co. is questionable. Heck, they could flip it around and do "the world's wackiest web videos" and not pay anyone a cent. They have the legal right to do so.

So use at your own risk. Read the agreement. Still, that language has been on every video hosting site since... well, Atom Films was supposed to conquer the world in 1999... or iFilm...

A lot of folks are too alarmist about this language, and some are too careless. You should pay more attention to your cast, crew, and location agreements, because that messes up more folks than Vimeo.

Look how the Red Co. is proceeding: they only show what they care to lose before going to market. Apply that to your own work. Vimeo looks nice. Hosting a H.264 file on your own site is just as nice. - A.T. Orlandont, FL

Very clarifying Anthony, thanks.

Do you have a background in law? Perhaps someone in your family is a lawyer...

:)

Low and Medium is good but I have hard time with High.:)

Thanks man! What's your internet connection speed?!

[Dances With Cameras]

For the moment, I only have some low-budget student sh*tz on Vimeo, so I doubt they would be too interested in them, but, in the future, if I have more important stuff to upload there, I would go into detailed negotiations and - a contract, of course.

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

For the moment, I only have some low-budget student sh*tz on Vimeo, so I doubt they would be too interested in them, but, in the future, if I have more important stuff to upload there, I would go into detailed negotiations and - a contract, of course.

Negotiation and contracts with Vimeo?

[Dances With Cameras]

Yes, why not?

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

I just don't know if they would be willing to make things different for some users, and how much hassle this would be for them.
Will they have people just to deal with this sorta stuff?

I just posted up there an example of a video of mine in very good quality hosted on my website.
I paid 10 bucks for the domain and pay 10 bucks a month for hosting, looks like a nice solution.
I guess...

[Peter Majtan]

Yo, girl from Ipanema - same here - low & medium OK - high lacks about 30% behind real-time. I have a 1.5MB cable...

What's with the weird distortion in the first shot and later on in the mirror as well?

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Distortion?
You mean like wobble, frames breaking in half?
That's rolling shutter + high winds hitting the tripod... A shame!

Anyway, thanks for the feedback Peter.
High quality is only manageable with 4mb+ connection, according to my math.

I posted these examples only to illustrate that's not difficult and not very expensive to host your own videos without paying that much.

But of course Vimeo would be better because of visibility to the public.

[Peter Majtan]

Which camera was that?

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Sony FX7...

It's basically a V1 withouth XLRs and some certain adjustments.

[OUinLA]

I just don't know if they would be willing to make things different for some users, and how much hassle this would be for them.
Will they have people just to deal with this sorta stuff?

I just posted up there an example of a video of mine in very good quality hosted on my website.
I paid 10 bucks for the domain and pay 10 bucks a month for hosting, looks like a nice solution.
I guess...

Are you limited on bandwidth?

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Are you limited on bandwidth?

I'm not sure, I pay the Dreamhost cheapest plan (10 bucks).
Right now I have 6344GB, according to them.

They have a bandwidth growth policy.
Let me show you:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/930/bandaan3.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bandaan3.jpg)

[Ayoji]

Thanks man! What's your internet connection speed?!

Basic Cable modem. I dont know the exact speed.:(

[Joseph Hutson]

After going through some old threads that Peter started, I thought I'd make a reply to this one...there was a new post in that thread...

Re-visiting Vimeo's terms of service (http://vimeo.com/terms), they have now added a section where they translate all the legal terms into english. For example, giving Vimeo the right to make derivative work from my film, means that they can transcode it to allow for streaming. They make it very clear that they will not use the video for other purposes without my permission.

What I like about Vimeo (besides the better technical quality compared to that other video site), is that you get much better comments.

[mbeck]

Hey guys - check this one out:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17332

That link is to a thread about controlling lenses...

[Joseph Hutson]

That link is to a thread about controlling lenses...

hehe. yeah, I saw that.


http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16916 is the actual link.