T20 Bulbs

[fde101]

Anyone know if this site is reputable?

www.1000bulbs.com/ (http://www.1000bulbs.com/)

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Alternately/Additionally, know of a good/better source for T20 bulbs for a 6" Fresnel?

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Semi-off-topic, but we don't have an off-topic or even semi-off-topic box on scarletuser yet, and I haven't bothered to get an account on reduser...

Lighting seemed most appropriate of the available topics.

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[Peter Majtan]

WOW! Did You see this...?:

http://www.1000bulbs.com/PAR-Can-Fixtures-LED/35543/

Especially check out the video...

[fde101]

There's a panel version too, and they are cheaper here (at least for now):

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=Chauvet+COLORado+1&st=


I know Musicians' Friend is reputable, I order from them quite often...

[Peter Majtan]

Great find... Thank You! :D

[Yannick Hagman]

I've seen this light if it's the same. Pricewise it seems better than most other LED stuff out there. However, it's not too much light output for the price for now (which is true for every LED light for now). The color mixing requires that the object must stand a bit away from the bulb to get a clear white or you will get an ugly color pattern. I haven't seen the white with this one in person (only in blue used in an art-installation), but Ianiro-LEDs which are even smaller, They use also RGB. Three of them where used to light a table surface which was about 2.5 meters away. I guess it's still a bit dark for anything photographic or film related. Maybe it would make a colorful backlight. The colorchanging would be cool of course. If these stuff get's cheaper, this could be great for music videos or science fiction stuff.

But for the price of a backlight IMO: Get a dedo and gel it, it's a lot brighter.

[Halsu]

There are much cheaper programmable RGB LED cans out there... start from here:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/search_dir.html?xsid=b269e9863bd980222c70abb1017ff 69d&sw=led+par&x=0&y=0

[Yannick Hagman]

Nice link Halsu! Someone should do the math about how much thungsten light this is. Let me know if there is anything I should integrate in my lighting suggestions thread. It's good to see a fellow HV20 user over here.

[Tim Hole]

If you look the company is a BBB approved site so i think its safe to say they aren't cowboys/girls!!

[Tim Hole]

I would be concerned about slight variations in temperature. Similar to dimmers and the dynamo lights

[Yannick Hagman]

Yes, Thomann is big in Germany. They sell formost theatrelights, but also have Arri on stock. Probably the best priced Arri dealer in Germany.

I'm curious how this led light translate to thungsten watt numbers. Keep also in mind that those aren't focusable nor barndoorable. The use for film will be limited. But Leds could make a great softbox if prices come down and surfaces grow.

Certainly color accurate, certainly expensive:
http://www.kinoflo.com/Lighting%20Fixtures%20(LED)/KelvinTile.html (http://www.kinoflo.com/Lighting%20Fixtures%20%28LED%29/KelvinTile.html)

[fde101]

I've seen this light if it's the same. Pricewise it seems better than most other LED stuff out there. However, it's not too much light output for the price for now (which is true for every LED light for now).


The real question: if you buy two or three of the LED ones to increase the combined brightness, what happens when you add up the price of the bulbs for the other types of lights until you've reached the life span of the LED ones?


But for the price of a backlight IMO: Get a dedo and gel it, it's a lot brighter.


You don't always need the brightness...

And this type of light is designed more for live performance use than for video/cinema use, hence the DMX connectivity.

For the subtle fades and such during a live program (no post-production)...


The RGB color mixing allows for some things that would be much more difficult to do with other types of lighting. Most of these cans have integrated strobing, as well.

[Peter Majtan]

I am looking at this as a complementing "mood" light - not a replacement for the primaries... But I am looking to LED as a future replacement for budget lighting... :D

[Yannick Hagman]

The real question: if you buy two or three of the LED ones to increase the combined brightness, what happens when you add up the price of the bulbs for the other types of lights until you've reached the life span of the LED ones?Even with that math it's much more expensive currently. But this prices will come down. Richard from Coollights is developing some kind of fluro replacement-fixture. Count on it.

The real problem is color temp and that LEDs are something in between directional and softlight (the surface is to small mostly anyway).

Someone recently said that the camera showed him only 4300 kelvin for following fixture, they claim it's 5'600k:
http://www.prompterpeople.com/led500.php

So if anyone goes led: beware. Better use brands for now. Kinoflo or Lightpanels. But they have their prices. Kinoflo is switchable between daylight and thungsten. Lightpanels isn't. The lightpanels I've seen in person. You need two for interview type situations for a keylight. One only would be enough for just a head-close-up IMO.

But I would wait. Most of the stuff seems not market ready or/and overpriced. And if you can afford a LED fixture, you probably want dial thungsten/daylight like the Kinoflo TILE or Zylight does.

[fde101]

There's also LEDz, and various others.

[fde101]

Also, in that price tag, have you factored in the power savings, the time saved on touch-ups due to reduced heat output, actor comfort, etc...

[Yannick Hagman]

Yes, there is something to consider, but this goes more under comfort. LEDs so far go after softboxes. To really replace a Divalite you probably would need about 6-8 Litepanels. So we talk about $10k for a $1.5k replacement. Power draw from fluros insn't that much anyway. If the price comes down to about $3-4k it would make some sense. But that's still a high number for most of us.